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Builds / Re: Does anyone have a full grenade launcher build?
« on: December 30, 2023, 09:39:00 pm »
Grenade Launchers are very strong if you have high critical chance, they will crit a lot.
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Builds / Re: The thumper is pretty interesting
« on: December 23, 2023, 11:10:34 pm »
If you have high crit chance and critical power feat, this weapon will be so strong so it will obliterate most enemis even on Dominating in 1-2 shots, better use it with special belt and Thermobaric grenades (for better range). Also you can use TM + adrenalin to shoot it 2 times per turn (25 for shot then 7 ap with belt to reload - that means each shot will cost 32 ap)
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Builds / Re: Jin-Roh: Wolf Brigade - Mobile Tin Can LMG Thematic Build
« on: December 19, 2023, 02:35:15 pm »
I tried this build (this was my first Heavy Guns build) and decided that heavy guns works better if you dump dex and agi to 3 and take some Con feats instead, and I understand that this build was about mobility.
Also no Temporal Manipulation - 25 ap LMG's really cool for Contraction + Adrenalin for 3 burst per round, even for 3 rouns only (usually this will be enough) + Contraction will give you MP even in fou have huge armor penalty
Overall thx for the build, especially gear selection (Missed crafted 9mm ratchet option - another 25 ap LMG)
Gunners High was kinda useless (especially when you have Fast Metabolism and Regenerative vest)
Heavy metal can boost damage too, but need to have more armor penalty for it work better
Ambush is super useful for any shooting build, even if you have 0 effective stealth, ambush will help with accuracy anyway because of halfed enemies evasion
Also no Temporal Manipulation - 25 ap LMG's really cool for Contraction + Adrenalin for 3 burst per round, even for 3 rouns only (usually this will be enough) + Contraction will give you MP even in fou have huge armor penalty
Overall thx for the build, especially gear selection (Missed crafted 9mm ratchet option - another 25 ap LMG)
Gunners High was kinda useless (especially when you have Fast Metabolism and Regenerative vest)
Heavy metal can boost damage too, but need to have more armor penalty for it work better
Ambush is super useful for any shooting build, even if you have 0 effective stealth, ambush will help with accuracy anyway because of halfed enemies evasion
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Builds / Re: A blind laser pistol build (aka Stormtrooper)
« on: December 15, 2023, 10:32:32 pm »
Hey, sorry for necro, but with Heavy Duty you can use new weapons - Grenade laucnher Thumper and New laser pistol Stunner - these weapons fit this build like a glove. You can get them right after prologue. You can use Stunner before you craft your high-end laser pistol, and refurbished Thumper will be excellent support weapon (better to use it with special belt)
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Bugs / Re: Can't get Institute reward.
« on: August 10, 2022, 03:57:11 pm »
After speaking with Eidein you need to return to one specific hall (from that hall you can get to all Departaments) and speak with one NPC, she will give your reward.
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Builds / Re: Cyclops "Plasma Blaster" Metathermics Build- 6 Beams in One Turn
« on: August 10, 2022, 03:41:41 am »
** If you have Persuasion or have a female character, you can complete Jack Quicksilver's quest in Foundry without slaying the Beast therefore you just need a way to get a jetski and join the pirates, there are many possibilties to do so aside the Beast quest for you to chose.
You can complete it without persuasion too - you can get to the right person by picklocking one door and using ventilation shaft. Just need some lockpicking skill and no stealth at all (but watch for camera).
If you really need that one Hyberbrexis pill early, you can try to get one from Formedicator (you will need some traps and grenades to deal with crawlers).
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Builds / Re: Dominating Crossbow Build (Updated)
« on: June 30, 2022, 10:49:40 am »
You can setup Ambush in arena, especially if you have Electrokinetic Imprint. But in many other situations you can't.
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Builds / Dominating Crossbow Build (Updated)
« on: June 17, 2022, 02:20:41 pm »
I decided to update my old crossbow build for a new version
Build is Here:
https://underrail.info/build/?HgMGBwMQAwgAasKgAADCoMKgQjIAIUJRKjNZAC0ARgAARSsifzEWKgI4wodLwoBqwrXCpBptw5zDgsKdwp7Cn8Kt4qe-CuKstAXfvw
(Numbers are min-maxed with benches - Lemurian Suit - Underpie- Hypercerebrix and other stuff).
Atributes
Strength 3
Dexterity 6 (7 if you want quick tinkering)
Agility 7 (7 is a nice score, Hopper boots + Armor + Stake to buff to 10, 7 base for improved naval combat)
Constitution 3
Perception 10 (each bonus point go here)
Will 3
Intelligence 8 (7 is ok too, i just would like to have one more psi slot)
Core Feats:
Marksman (we will use only special bolts)
Strafe (to eliminate -10 Shoot and move penalty)
Recklessness (crit is good)
Grenadier (early for damaging grenades, later mosly for the utility ones)
Premeditation - Free Stasis or Electrokinesis
Ambush - I Prefer this feat over Deadly snares and bear traps
Special Tactics - 1 free atack on your first turn
Psycho-Temporal Acceleration - we need that 20 AP bonus for 3 rounds to get 5 crossbow shots (14x5)
Critical Power - Our main source of damage
Bowyer - More damage
Elemental Bolts - Core feat of this build
Increased Perception - More damage and accuracy
Scrutinous - More crit chance
There are 4 more feats to choose from. You can pick Quick Tinkering (7 DEX) + Deadly Snares, Blindsiding, Sprint, Nimble, Hit and Run, Pack Rathound, Power Managment (For shields mostly), Paranoia, Trigger Happy, Interloper, Opportunist, Quick Pockets, Versality and Cooked Shot (for acid chemical pistols combo, need to have more dex for this to work), Escape Artist (7 dex and 30 dodge)
Psi Abilities:
TM: Psycho-temporal Contraction, Stasis and Dilation
Psychokinesis: Electrokinesis, Electrokinetic Imprint (I prefer this to bear traps) and Telekinetic Proxy (Light source for Ambush).
Skills:
Crossbow - Max
Throwing - Effective 124 to get max accuracy, no reason to have more
Stealth - Max or you can go lower
Hacking - Effective 130 without Haxor for all checks
Lockpicking - 50 base is enought, you can have more
Traps - 90 effective skill to use all traps, 33 base is enought with gear
Mechanics - Effective 128 for best crossbow, 144 if you want infused pig striders boots with q 160 spring
Electronics - Effective 166 for Low-Low-Efficient or High-High-Efficient shields
Chemistry - Effective 80 for Rusting Acid Bolts
Biology -Effective 115 for regenerative Mixture, if you dont want this one, can go to 90 for super health hypos
Tailoring - 156 for Infused Rathound Leather Armor +q160 Black Cloth and q160 Soft Padding
Psychokinesis - 55 (45 if you dont like Proxy)
Temporal Manipulation - 70
Mercantile - 95 effective to get Constantine's special stock
Leftovers can go to Evasion.
Gear
Shields - Low-Low Efficient or High-High Efficient
Cloaking Device
Seeker Night Vision Googles (+19 crit)
Infused Rathound Leather Armor (+11 crit)
Anatomically - Aware Pneumatic Cyclone Crossbow
Høddurform - in ofhand for easier Ambush
Side Weapons - Jackknife and Remote Controle Glove
Belt - Bolt Quiver to get 14 AP shot for Pneumatic Cyclone Crossbow
Boots - Tabi or Infused Pig Leather Strider Boots (-90 to stealth but we should be fine with that malus)
Tips -
Get Remote Controle Glove from Phreak for +10 Hacking and Electronics before you side with Oligarchs
Get Biology belt in Institute (Choose Genetics)
MK III Grenades and Mines Before Depot A is ok, dont try to push for MK IV that early.
Final conclusion - Crossbow kinda sucks, if you want stealth ranged build with crossbow-and-traps-like gameplay, try hight-dex energy pistols build.
Build is Here:
https://underrail.info/build/?HgMGBwMQAwgAasKgAADCoMKgQjIAIUJRKjNZAC0ARgAARSsifzEWKgI4wodLwoBqwrXCpBptw5zDgsKdwp7Cn8Kt4qe-CuKstAXfvw
(Numbers are min-maxed with benches - Lemurian Suit - Underpie- Hypercerebrix and other stuff).
Atributes
Strength 3
Dexterity 6 (7 if you want quick tinkering)
Agility 7 (7 is a nice score, Hopper boots + Armor + Stake to buff to 10, 7 base for improved naval combat)
Constitution 3
Perception 10 (each bonus point go here)
Will 3
Intelligence 8 (7 is ok too, i just would like to have one more psi slot)
Core Feats:
Marksman (we will use only special bolts)
Strafe (to eliminate -10 Shoot and move penalty)
Recklessness (crit is good)
Grenadier (early for damaging grenades, later mosly for the utility ones)
Premeditation - Free Stasis or Electrokinesis
Ambush - I Prefer this feat over Deadly snares and bear traps
Special Tactics - 1 free atack on your first turn
Psycho-Temporal Acceleration - we need that 20 AP bonus for 3 rounds to get 5 crossbow shots (14x5)
Critical Power - Our main source of damage
Bowyer - More damage
Elemental Bolts - Core feat of this build
Increased Perception - More damage and accuracy
Scrutinous - More crit chance
There are 4 more feats to choose from. You can pick Quick Tinkering (7 DEX) + Deadly Snares, Blindsiding, Sprint, Nimble, Hit and Run, Pack Rathound, Power Managment (For shields mostly), Paranoia, Trigger Happy, Interloper, Opportunist, Quick Pockets, Versality and Cooked Shot (for acid chemical pistols combo, need to have more dex for this to work), Escape Artist (7 dex and 30 dodge)
Psi Abilities:
TM: Psycho-temporal Contraction, Stasis and Dilation
Psychokinesis: Electrokinesis, Electrokinetic Imprint (I prefer this to bear traps) and Telekinetic Proxy (Light source for Ambush).
Skills:
Crossbow - Max
Throwing - Effective 124 to get max accuracy, no reason to have more
Stealth - Max or you can go lower
Hacking - Effective 130 without Haxor for all checks
Lockpicking - 50 base is enought, you can have more
Traps - 90 effective skill to use all traps, 33 base is enought with gear
Mechanics - Effective 128 for best crossbow, 144 if you want infused pig striders boots with q 160 spring
Electronics - Effective 166 for Low-Low-Efficient or High-High-Efficient shields
Chemistry - Effective 80 for Rusting Acid Bolts
Biology -Effective 115 for regenerative Mixture, if you dont want this one, can go to 90 for super health hypos
Tailoring - 156 for Infused Rathound Leather Armor +q160 Black Cloth and q160 Soft Padding
Psychokinesis - 55 (45 if you dont like Proxy)
Temporal Manipulation - 70
Mercantile - 95 effective to get Constantine's special stock
Leftovers can go to Evasion.
Gear
Shields - Low-Low Efficient or High-High Efficient
Cloaking Device
Seeker Night Vision Googles (+19 crit)
Infused Rathound Leather Armor (+11 crit)
Anatomically - Aware Pneumatic Cyclone Crossbow
Høddurform - in ofhand for easier Ambush
Side Weapons - Jackknife and Remote Controle Glove
Belt - Bolt Quiver to get 14 AP shot for Pneumatic Cyclone Crossbow
Boots - Tabi or Infused Pig Leather Strider Boots (-90 to stealth but we should be fine with that malus)
Tips -
Get Remote Controle Glove from Phreak for +10 Hacking and Electronics before you side with Oligarchs
Get Biology belt in Institute (Choose Genetics)
MK III Grenades and Mines Before Depot A is ok, dont try to push for MK IV that early.
Final conclusion - Crossbow kinda sucks, if you want stealth ranged build with crossbow-and-traps-like gameplay, try hight-dex energy pistols build.
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Builds / Re: Cyclops "Plasma Blaster" Metathermics Build- 6 Beams in One Turn
« on: June 16, 2022, 02:37:53 pm »
This build like a hidden gem - the strongest glass cannon build what I have ever played!
I slighltly altered stas and feats (decided to go with 8 int and 3 con, take 7 base int if you want Philosophy 3). Decided to side with JKK - Hypno Googles + Tactical Jacket give you +45 persuasin, you can have 110 effective persuasion (will 18) with just 12 hard points in it! Persuasion is a gimmick, but with 18 will why not take advantage of it! Also initiative bonus from jacket was useful in Arena fights.
Also took Locus of Control (75 Though Control - Just for that feat) - it saved me some times.
You can get Plasma Beam Mentor and Cyclop googles from Constantine (Effective Mercantile 95 for mentors in stock), right from level 16.
Also leveled up traps a bit - it helped in the begiining of the game, also emp mines mk III helped me to deal with some difficult fights with robots, especially Nagas. Nice to detect all traps without motion tracking googles too.
Never really used Empowered Metathermics, because most difficult fights were prolonged, not cool to burn all your psi points for 1 turn. Maybe other veteran feat (Mantra) will be more useful.
I slighltly altered stas and feats (decided to go with 8 int and 3 con, take 7 base int if you want Philosophy 3). Decided to side with JKK - Hypno Googles + Tactical Jacket give you +45 persuasin, you can have 110 effective persuasion (will 18) with just 12 hard points in it! Persuasion is a gimmick, but with 18 will why not take advantage of it! Also initiative bonus from jacket was useful in Arena fights.
Also took Locus of Control (75 Though Control - Just for that feat) - it saved me some times.
You can get Plasma Beam Mentor and Cyclop googles from Constantine (Effective Mercantile 95 for mentors in stock), right from level 16.
Also leveled up traps a bit - it helped in the begiining of the game, also emp mines mk III helped me to deal with some difficult fights with robots, especially Nagas. Nice to detect all traps without motion tracking googles too.
Never really used Empowered Metathermics, because most difficult fights were prolonged, not cool to burn all your psi points for 1 turn. Maybe other veteran feat (Mantra) will be more useful.
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Builds / Re: How do I improve a pistol build for Normal Classic XP
« on: June 10, 2022, 12:12:43 pm »
You can check this build
https://stygiansoftware.com/forums/index.php?topic=7737.0
Fantastic pistol build, you can change some feats for your playstale of course. (Ambush + telekinetic proxy cool combo for example)
https://stygiansoftware.com/forums/index.php?topic=7737.0
Fantastic pistol build, you can change some feats for your playstale of course. (Ambush + telekinetic proxy cool combo for example)
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Builds / Re: One Turn Man | .44' pistol Bullet Time | DOMINATING | OP(aF)
« on: September 24, 2021, 09:24:42 am »
This build is fantastic and I really like it!
I moved to this build from laser pistols build (because Critical Power was nerfed and energy damage vs some type of enemies (Nagas) is meh).
I was dissapointed by Fatal Throw and Interloper (Interloper IMHO is kinda useless and Fatal Throw was not reliable for me). I decided to drop them and took Grenadier and Three Pointer instead. Silenced Rapid 5mm Neo-Luger pistol is a fantastic secondary weapons in some situations, I recommend to craft it too.
Also I decided to use Infused Pig Striders (-90 to stealth, + speed, +30 carry weight, ) instead of ninja Tabi Boots, so I need to max out stealth to overcome this (not a problem, because of 7 AGI + Black Padded Infused Rathound Armor we will have high stealth anyway).
Why I think that this build is soo good and versalite? Let's see:
We have 7 AGI (We can use cave hopper armor, boots and hopper stake to temporary boost it to 10, or even more if we use All In. We can pass AGI checks, we can use infused pig striders and still be stealthy.
We have 14 dex, so we have high lockpicking and other DEX based skills
We will have 11 PER to spot all secrets
We have 7 intelligence, we can craft with no problems, we have high bonus to mercantile too.
About Min Maxing and Metagaming - If you want, you can use hypercerebrix + All In (to get +5 INT) + Craft Benches, and you can save up some points for crafting skills. I recommend these numbers (hard points, not the effective skill level! For 160 quality components):
Mechanics - 74 (Hypercerebrix + All In + Craft Benches to craft striders and pistols)
Electronics - 87 (Hypercerebrix + All In + Craft Benches to craft Dual Low Efficient energy shield emitter, cloaking device and seeker googles. Hypercerebrix + Craft Benches will be enought to craft MK3 plasma grenades and mines.
Chemistry - 66 (Hypercerebrix + Craft Benches to get 112 effective skill for MKV Greandes)
Biology - 43 (To craft Hypercerebrix with Craft Benches Bonus, Hypercerebrix + Craft Benches to craft bullhead drug)
Tailoring - 80 (Hypercerebrix + All In + Craft Benches to craft Infused Rathound Armor (padded and black cloathed with 160 quality parts) and Infused Pig striders.
You can optimize these numbers even more because of new belts (15 to one crafting skills). So, you end up with some free points even if you decide to max out stealth. You can max out Temporal Manipulation to reduce the chance to be debuffed from haste.
Also, you can lower Lockpicking and Hacking skills too to get even more free points. You can drop pickpocket too (fun skill but useless in combat)
I moved to this build from laser pistols build (because Critical Power was nerfed and energy damage vs some type of enemies (Nagas) is meh).
I was dissapointed by Fatal Throw and Interloper (Interloper IMHO is kinda useless and Fatal Throw was not reliable for me). I decided to drop them and took Grenadier and Three Pointer instead. Silenced Rapid 5mm Neo-Luger pistol is a fantastic secondary weapons in some situations, I recommend to craft it too.
Also I decided to use Infused Pig Striders (-90 to stealth, + speed, +30 carry weight, ) instead of ninja Tabi Boots, so I need to max out stealth to overcome this (not a problem, because of 7 AGI + Black Padded Infused Rathound Armor we will have high stealth anyway).
Why I think that this build is soo good and versalite? Let's see:
We have 7 AGI (We can use cave hopper armor, boots and hopper stake to temporary boost it to 10, or even more if we use All In. We can pass AGI checks, we can use infused pig striders and still be stealthy.
We have 14 dex, so we have high lockpicking and other DEX based skills
We will have 11 PER to spot all secrets
We have 7 intelligence, we can craft with no problems, we have high bonus to mercantile too.
About Min Maxing and Metagaming - If you want, you can use hypercerebrix + All In (to get +5 INT) + Craft Benches, and you can save up some points for crafting skills. I recommend these numbers (hard points, not the effective skill level! For 160 quality components):
Mechanics - 74 (Hypercerebrix + All In + Craft Benches to craft striders and pistols)
Electronics - 87 (Hypercerebrix + All In + Craft Benches to craft Dual Low Efficient energy shield emitter, cloaking device and seeker googles. Hypercerebrix + Craft Benches will be enought to craft MK3 plasma grenades and mines.
Chemistry - 66 (Hypercerebrix + Craft Benches to get 112 effective skill for MKV Greandes)
Biology - 43 (To craft Hypercerebrix with Craft Benches Bonus, Hypercerebrix + Craft Benches to craft bullhead drug)
Tailoring - 80 (Hypercerebrix + All In + Craft Benches to craft Infused Rathound Armor (padded and black cloathed with 160 quality parts) and Infused Pig striders.
You can optimize these numbers even more because of new belts (15 to one crafting skills). So, you end up with some free points even if you decide to max out stealth. You can max out Temporal Manipulation to reduce the chance to be debuffed from haste.
Also, you can lower Lockpicking and Hacking skills too to get even more free points. You can drop pickpocket too (fun skill but useless in combat)
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Builds / Re: Crossbow Dominating Build (without Aimed shot and snipe)
« on: November 30, 2020, 08:22:27 pm »
destroyor, thx for fixing link - I edited my post
This build was created for older version. I would like to update it because there is room for improvement. It will be better to change some feats (take Strafe and Premeditation for example), revise distrubiton of specialization points, add more psi abilities (Electrokinetic Imprint, Electrokinesis, Force field. Keep in mind new psi-balance and number of maximal psi-abilites). Maybe it will be better to not drop Tailoring and craft you own infused armor and boots. If I only had some free time to replay this game again....
This build was created for older version. I would like to update it because there is room for improvement. It will be better to change some feats (take Strafe and Premeditation for example), revise distrubiton of specialization points, add more psi abilities (Electrokinetic Imprint, Electrokinesis, Force field. Keep in mind new psi-balance and number of maximal psi-abilites). Maybe it will be better to not drop Tailoring and craft you own infused armor and boots. If I only had some free time to replay this game again....
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General / Re: Underrail expedition dominating difficulty
« on: February 01, 2020, 07:36:53 pm »
Most pre-expedition enemies are the same. In general, with increased level cap, specialisation points and new feats the game is easier.
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Builds / Re: A blind laser pistol build (aka Stormtrooper)
« on: February 01, 2020, 05:20:42 pm »
Playing this build with some minor changes in feats and skill points and having a blast. I played similar build with ambush and 3 con before, and I like SI much more. This playstyle reminds me playing as a cowboy with 2 gauss pistols in Fallout 2.