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Underrail => Suggestions => Topic started by: Deep Driller on November 13, 2024, 07:36:32 pm
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A foreword: While I've been enjoying the game... well, not since Early Access but definitely long before Expedition, I couldn't help but notice that combat skills are essential in anyone's walkthrough. Compared to other isometric (original Fallout) games, there is no other way to defeat Tchort, Shadowlith (Cognator is an exception) but through firepower or power of mind. Therefore, I've made my way thoughout all the caves and subway tunnels with pistols, sledgehammers, rifles, psi disciplines, fist weapons, knifes, swords, spears, grenades, crossbows, traps and the likes of them, heavy guns and grenade launchers included.
Thus, after analyzing each combat style, I've decided to start a discussion over which I would like to express my thought on matter of balance. Which is in imperfect state as of now.
(this topic is gonna be a longread, so, if you don't want to read... what are you doing here? You should already be able to read The Bible through in an hour :)
So, please, read the whole topic before starting yelling at the poor pipeworker)
Firstly, I'm going to range the weapons (not classes) in order:
1. LMG and Grenade Launchers, with my bae Fusion Cannon. Those weapons allow you to bruteforce everything that stands in your way, in a corner of the room, on another location and a zone above and below you. Even a 30% hit chance often turns out to be enough to kill an otherwise hard enemy with one burst. Grenade launchers, on other hand, completely outshine Frag and HE grenades. I literally dominated Depot A, Ironheads, Vanga and her crew, every Stalker nest, every industrial robot encounter... Even Tchort, while still proved to be one tough mass of psionic flesh, succumbed to Fusion Cannon (and GlaShaG). Overpowered weapons, so to speak.
2. Grenades and Shotguns. Those are versatile in most combat encounters. Grenades are somewhat essential, because you can save-load every combat situation to try and get the best output all over again, if your throwing skill is not the main one. Flashbangs and EMPs are much more important than their psi-counterparts. Why? Because, in this game, AoE reigns and prevails — over single target attacks. I'm gonna elaborate on that below. Way, way below ;)
Anyway, most situations are easily resolved by a well-timed and well-placed grenade. Shotguns, on other hand, prove their versatility differently. While most enemies prefer to close the distance (narrow passages greatly suggest for them and the player to do so), shotguns see that as a win-win situation. With their tremendous close-range damage output, they are still able to grease and/or wound the enemy afar. And they can do that with a single shell or with burst as well. Overall reliable weapons.
3. Miniguns and Assault Rifles. Those are fairly balanced. Higher usefulness than average weapons but they also have downsides and requirements. Assault rifles, IMO, always were, and are, the balanced type of weapons. As for miniguns: those need to be bursted from a couple times over before they actually start the massacre. Along with their Intiative penalty, strength requirement, and ammo consumption, miniguns are fine. Still reliable weapons but require some tactic thinking.
4. Now for average weapons. Pistols and fist weapons. Now, pistols offer a wide range of variety... of themselves. I'm gonna give you one example: one can stun the enemy with Wasteland Hawk, bind them in palce with XAL, disperce their shields with Phase Gun and finish them off with Sonocaster. All in one fight. Gloves, fists and claws don't have many damage types but they have even better set of feats which allows them to dominate the melee. It would be wise to add some AoE weapons (grenades) or any psi discipline to pistols and melee but those are also fine on their own.
5. Less than average. SMG and knives/swords/spears/sledgehammers. Caltrops too. I'll be brief: SMGs are too weak to deal significant damage, being mostly stealth weapons in their design. Only one of their unique models (RRCh-42) have a special bonus, and, after refurbishing, Mini-Uzi. Also, SMGs are designed to work the best with commando-style tactic. Flashbangs and such. While pistols allow but a wide range of action, along with combining it with melee (some unique pistols have bonuses while used in melee range) or psi abilities (shower your enemies with heat, cold, and acid damage during one turn).
Right, there's also cold steel. Those are slightly better but they do require some real luck with RNG (fr some pipeworker hit me 5 times in a row with his crappy knife (147 dodge) but when I try to hit him with my Bone knife — 5 misses in a row with 60% hit chance. And it happens. Every. Other. Time!). Unarmed do have better bonuses and chances, so to speak. Just take a look at Carnifex and how he dominates any even slightly unsuitable build. Spears suffer from average AP cost, and overall mediocre... ness. Taht goes for Sledgehammers as well. Yes, there's Quake, Mindcracker, Lemurian Spear and Rust Maker (you can also coat your cold steel with some poison) but you actually have to life to see them. And then, you probably will be buff enough to live without them. Or for them to compliment your build but not define it. It just feels like a less successful brother of Fist weapons.
Caltrops aren't that bad, they're just helpful tools rather than weapons (even though they use throwing — a combat skill), therefore they are placed here.
5.5. Psi disciplines. Low quality on their own but fine if you master two or more. Those, after implementing psi reserves, are one of the weakest ways to resolve sticky sutiations with guns... mind blazing.
Pro: you always hit, with the exception of AoE abilities; you can inflict unique debuffs on some enemies; you can inflict buffs and debuffs alike without resorting to combat drugs and special throwing items.
Con: you have to "reload" your psi reserve, therefore you have to have a lot of usually rare "ammo" for it, therefore you can't rely on your psi abilities to kill each burrower spawn and rathound you come across; you have to resort to tactic every now and then; robots are immune to most effects of psi abilities, notably Thought Control ones; AoE effects are mainly metathermic, therefore you are forced to use it or resort to other AoE weapons; 8 abilties at a time aren't enough for most sutiations — spending psi inhalant each time you want to change one of more of your abilities seems rather excessive; all special and unique psi-related items never a direct bonus — only a trade-off. And their bonuses rarely outweight penalties.
Take Cognator's helmet, for instance. Oh wow, 3 more slots for psi abilities! I could use 11 in total and give the enemy hell! But wait, I can't see crap in it, I can't dodge and evade attacks, I never get first turn, and I get my ass beaten with criticals occuring 10% more otfen. Was that designed at a joke headwear?
Take Sergio's hat. Seems like a direct upgrade... if it wouldn't require to be in Motion and to have Motion on you, in some quantity. I do hope I don't need to explain downsides of Motion and the need to invest up to 150 skill points into Biology in order to craft it (because dead Sergio can't sell you Motion) and carry it around with you.
Take Psychophract Exoskeleton, also the HD's addition to armour department. Perennial energy draining just to negate Agility and movement speed penalties (your Dexterity is still crap, however); random bonus for one of two psi schools — others get severe penalty of increased psi cost; relatively high Strength requirement — when I'm a psionic, I invest into Will and Intelligence. I don't sink all points into Strength.
Regular Psi Headbands and Hypno Goggles are the most benign items for psionic. But for other armour it would be best to clad yourself in some regular vest or an overcoat. It's just plain sad. All in all, psi disciplines can compliment the build, but on their own they're relatively weak and clattered with unnecessary complications.
6. Sniper rifles, throwing knives, crossbows, and traps. That one is a difficult tier.
Sniper rifles suffer greatly. Most enemies, as I stated above, tend to close the distance between them and the player. Precision penalty and/or focus loss is the least downside of that. Relying on throwing nets and caltrops? Assault rifles, for instance, don't see that problem. Only Dragunov is semi-capable of fighting on its own. Also, high AP cost? Why have them sniper rifles if you can just pick up an LMG and deal even more damage with less precision but for cost of more ammo (the latter is never a problem to obtain)? Why have them sniper rifles if your average double-basrrel does even more damage but at close quarters? I can hardly see anyone dominating the DOMINATING with a restriction to sniper rifles only. But assault rifles or pistols? Never a problem.
Throwing knives suck. They just suck. They suck, okay? Frankly, I could never see them as weapon and I never pick them up. They cost nothing and grenades are much more useful if you invest in throwing. Even if you coat them in poison... you actually need to invest in Biology. Invest A LOT (60/70/150!). You need to hunt dangerous creatures to get your ingredients and extract some humour for your poison. And if you are able to hunt dangerous creatures, then why the hell you would need throwing knives in the first place? They obviously need major reworking and that is it. Yes, Shock Shurikens exist, and yes, they are good against robots. They still suck because of their higher-than-average AP cost and their Electricity damage does not scale with Throwing.
Crossbows suck for similar reasons. One would need to invest a lot of skill points in tons of skills, to be an effective fighter.
They have different combat skill for whatever reason (I guess Styg or whoever created crossbows wanted it to be unique. Well, they are, but it's not a good uniqueness). They have different bolts which could pass as a positive attribute but... not really. Pistols and psi abilities exist. And those are much easier to obtain and/or invest into. Speaking of — you have to either buy/pick up every bolt in your way or... well, you'll spend a crapload of points into Biology and Chemistry anyway. And don't forget about Stealth and Traps, because those are essential as well. 5 skills investment just for one weapon to be effective — too much hassle. But that's the problem of character skills, not the weapon itself.
Related to crossbows: traps. Caltrops are a tier higher because of the following: traps require to have Quick Tinkering in order to be used in combat; traps restrict you to move accordingly, in order to lure the enemy in your trap AND not get hit with it if it's a landmine; traps also require to invest a crapload of skill points in order to craft them. Even their detection can be (and often is) achieved with pure detection and not hybrid one. In other words: combat tools but worse than caltrops.
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ARs are stupidly broken, they aren't balanced. Styg has more or less confirmed they exist to be the easy option. Nade launchers are probably objectively stronger, but nade launchers are retarded mechanically; never should have been added as they are.
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Now, you might ask: what's with all this critics? Don't you have something useful to suggest? As a matter of fact, I do, my good zoners and pipeworkers.
Firstly, paragraphs 2, 3, and 4 are fine. Thus, I'll stick to the 1, 5, 5.5, and 6.
1. Let's start with the easy ones. LMG are too powerful. They do need to have some debuffs upon use. Let's say, after using LMG, the player's speed is decreased by 10% (subtracted) for 3 turns. And/or they should have precision penalty in melee. And/or some skill requirements.
Grenade launchers... well, those are fine but I'd increase their AP cost. Right now two shots from Punisher or any other Petard-based GL can obliterate everything — in one turn. Perhaps that won't be enough, but then again: grenade launchers still have their downsides.
5. Now for the good part. Tricky upgrade goes for SMG. What if... after moving (spending movement points) any shot and/or burst would temporarily increase player's dodge and/or evasion? Like, a military stance, a battle skills, a commando's trait. The shooter holds SMG with two hands, moves, hunching slightly, all tense and stuff. Seems reasonable.
Also a new feat wouldn't hurt: "Veterancy" — each placed bullet further increase a chance to hit. Works only for the enemy that was shot from an SMG, works separately for each SMG, hit chance increase only for SMG. Lasts for 2 turns and can be increased up to 100%. Requirements: Guns 80, Dexterity 7, Pecreption 7, feat "Commando".
As for melee weapons... well, different enhancements are nice. But I'd made them permanent, with buff decrease, that is. Say, a CACS would work as usual, applying additional 10-20/36-72 energy damage on hit. After 5 hits, if would decrease to 1-2/4-7 energy damage, but it can't expire. Using another CACS would re-new the energy bonus, while using Firecracker Cap — replace it. Firecracker Cap would also retain minor Heat and Mechanical damage while losing AoE effect. Same goes for poison and Sharpening stone. Also some new effects wouldn't hurt:
Acid/Rusting/Corrosive/Incendiary/Cryogenic Makeshift Addition (can't think of a better name, sorry) — a couple of vials tied to a weapon with a bolt of cloth. Use: apply a couple of vials, which, instead of regular damage, apply effect (depending on vial type) and deal corresponding damage (numbers can vary) to the enemy. After two hits, 10% of bonus damage retains and weapon deals its regular damage. Can be crafted with 5x vial and any bolt of cloth (10 Tailoring, 25 Chemistry requirement).
Buckshot Strike — an empty shotgun or grenade/launcher grenade case filled with metal scraps and fastened on your weapon. Use: apply a custom-made shell, which deals additional damage, depending on shell type — shotgun shell deals half of the weapon's damage in a small cone in front of the attacker; grenade deals 70% of the weapon's damage as mechanical in 3x3 tiles around the target. Can be crafted with an empty shell and mechanical scraps x3 (15 Guns, 15 Mechanics/Chemistry requirement). I'm going to note that this one will fully expire after one successful hit.
Regular enchancements should have their corresponding blueprints as well. If you lose Phreak, your CACS are numbered. And you're bound to lose him at the certain point. It's kinda illogical: you can produce a technological marvel such as Fusion Cannon but CACS and Firecracker Cap is something beyong your abilities...
Caltrops are fine.
5.5 If you (the developer) are so fond of psi reserve, at least add any kind of natural regeneration to it. Psi inhalant can replenish your reserves momentarily; let it be that it can be replenished only when you're out of combat or focused. But give poor half-Lunatics some chance of survival!
Some love toward psi-related gear would also be appreciated. I'm kinda tired of looking at yet another headwear and thinking "here goes my Perception, and my detection is busted, and my dodge is non-existent; alas, if only I'd choose Metathermic discipline over TC!" It's just not cool to have penalties on everything psi-related while psi itself is not omnipowerful. The exception is psi headbands.
6. Now, what would one do to Sniper Rifles... well, for starters: all equipped Sniper Rifles should increase Detection and range of sight by 10% and 3 tiles respectively. Also, scopes (in general) should add at least 25% of Darkvision. And, there should be the possibility to add a bayonet to sniper or assault rifle (either via Myles's help or blueprint). Bayonet would allow the player to use a special ability "Close Combat" (5 AP cost) which would use Melee skill for precision and, if the attack was successful, it'd deal some small damage to the enemy (like a regular knife) and remove precision penalty for 1 turn (like, you just stick the bayonet into the enemy and can shoot point-blank right after that).
Crossbows and traps have one easy solution. Just merge the skills into one. Let it be Crossbows and Traps. Let it benefit from both Dexterity and Perception. Let it have bonuses from both Mechanics and Guns. Without changing the whole area of crossbows and traps, the solution above would be the easiest to implement.
Another suggestion would be — crossbows get a bonus that allows the player to retain constant focus while being stealthed and holding a crossbow. in that case, traps should receive a feat: "Expert Engineer" — gives you 50% chance to not trigger a trap while stepping on it or failing to disarm it. Your AoE traps have their AoE effects increased by 1 tile (each direction). Requirements: Dexterity 7, Agility 7, Traps 55, Mechanics 55.
What's left is the hardest work to do. Throwing knives/shurikens should be reworked. In what way? You'll find out next time, because I'm kinda exhausted right now. I'm gonna write about that after I've thought it through.
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You can actually beat Tchort without offensive skills, I did it last week!
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What I meant is: you still need to use weapons; you can't convince it to dissolve on its own or to go conquer Surface or for Tchortlings and tentacles to turn on their master via your overpowered TC skill.
Using weapons is generally better when you invest in combat skills.
And, well, that's not really the point.
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Yeah i didnt mean that either, i beat tchort with no psi or offensive skills
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Easy difficulty with constant healing and throwing grenades at your feet? :o
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No throwing is an offensive skill, and it was on dom
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I find it hard to believe. Besides, you don't use a skill to kill an enemy. You use a weapon, a trap, a combat utility, or a psi ability.
But, if you kill Tchort without using anything that is a weapon, combat utility, or a psi ability, then it was a trap. And no trap can destroy the eye in time for you to stay alive. Even with 1500 HP and exosuit you'll die before your traps kill it. Even then, you have to lure Tchortlings on them to activate.
Besides, this topic is not about "killing Tchort different ways". I'm not gonna reply to another off-topic message.
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no trap can destroy the eye in time for you to stay alive.
Well I did it!
8k hp tchort using 50 plasma mk3 mines, here's the timestamp to the end of the fight.
https://youtu.be/woywEvhpnT0?t=15733 (https://youtu.be/woywEvhpnT0?t=15733)
And no, you just stand on the trap yourself. No tchortlings required!
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Also your weapon rankings id consider way off, AR is incredibly strong, same with knife and smg, AR is absolutely on the same tier with nade launcher, pistols aswell.
Any dex melee is pretty much top tier by virtue of having 4ap attacks and fancy footwork.
And calling psi weak on its own is a joke right?
Mr. Dunning Krueger, its an honor!
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Well I did it!
Good for you, you proved me wrong. Still not a reliable way to kill anything else, including Void snakes (from Shadowlith).
AR is incredibly strong, same with knife and smg, AR is absolutely on the same tier with nade launcher, pistols aswell.
Any dex melee is pretty much top tier by virtue of having 4ap attacks and fancy footwork.
And calling psi weak on its own is a joke right?
AR is balanced. Weaker than shotguns close-range and having better overall precision. And is definitely not on par with GL. Especially because GL's only requirement is Guns skill but not any of their feats. I mean, I used base Milcore and it was on par with BRNO and those other two LMGs I had. The latter had two feats, the former had none. Please consider required feats and stats for a weapon, before assessing its "overpoweredness".
AR do require Commando, Concentrated fire, Full-Auto, et cetera — in order to be strong enough. GL, again, require for you to have 100+ Guns, around 6 STR, and a couple of 25/40mm grenades. And you can pick a whole lot of other feats.
Same goes for pistols.
Same goes for knife and "dex melee".
Those require a couple of feats in order to function properly. "Dex melee" also require a shitton of combat drugs, too. GL and LMG require from you to spend your movement points to peek from an obstacle, obliterate a group of enemies, and hide again. GL has tremendous hit chance. LMG has crappy hit chance but obliterates everything in one or two bursts nonetheless. Without feats as well.
And, well, yeah. Metathermics+Psychokinesis is the only good way to fight for a psi one. Good as in "one goes forward and kill all enemies on sight, like some OP weapons do". And even then, without high-tier abilities like Plasma Beam and without a crapload of skill (200+) invested, you won't be able to deal significant damage. Even even then, SIGNIFICANT damage, not ONE-SHOTTING damage — Plasma beam being the only exception.
Both TC and TM are two red-headed stepchildren on that one, cuz no one cares about Temporal Distortion, Psycho-Temporal Contraction and Precognition and other crap I totally forgot about. I do hope I don't need to explain the "usefulness" of TC on Hard and above — since vast majority of enemies will resist fear/frenzy/whatnot, and robots crap on that psi discipline all over, since 9 or 10 of its abilities do not work on non-living targets.
It is weak.
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My man, you do NOT know what you're talking about.
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Yeah you absolutely dont know what you are talking about, especially about TC.
"It is weak"
Dude I beat DOMINATING without dying using a TC/TM build, its one of the strongest builds in the game.
FC
https://youtu.be/m8YyHw5xvuo?t=17 (https://youtu.be/m8YyHw5xvuo?t=17)
Grey Army
https://youtu.be/MH84Tc6Jc48?t=113 (https://youtu.be/MH84Tc6Jc48?t=113)
Tchort
https://youtu.be/azOI1DlsKTM (https://youtu.be/azOI1DlsKTM)
Watch this and tell me TC is weak.
And saying nobody cares about TM is hilarious, id say 8/10 builds used by people use TM and contraction.
I cannot tell if this is a troll post because you have no idea what you are talking about.
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My man, you do NOT know what you're talking about.
I do know what I'm talking about. If you're trying to simply sweep away my posts with "you know nothing" type of answer, we have nothing to discuss.
I beat DOMINATING without dying using a TC/TM build, its one of the strongest builds in the game.
FC
https://youtu.be/m8YyHw5xvuo?t=17 (https://youtu.be/m8YyHw5xvuo?t=17)
Grey Army
https://youtu.be/MH84Tc6Jc48?t=113 (https://youtu.be/MH84Tc6Jc48?t=113)
Tchort
https://youtu.be/azOI1DlsKTM (https://youtu.be/azOI1DlsKTM)
I specifically stated that TC/TM is not good because its CC effects aren't working on most enemies. Especially robots.
You throw in a couple of videos where you use lvl30 char against LIVING opponents, with a CRAPLOAD of combat drugs, with a CRAPLOAD of specifically chosen feats, with that one staff that buffs the major damaging TC psi ability, hand-crafted psi-band, and, of course, about 12 Will and Intelligence. And even then you couldn't win without using grenades and Psychokinesis. Why don't use some CC from TC? Oh, right, fear/frenzy/the rest is so "powerful" it won't work on DOMINATING ::)
Try clearing out whole Nexus of Technology and Join Security Headquarters using level 12 TC/TM DOMINATING char with no psi-related combat drugs (or Motion), with no psi-related gear, and with no stasis. And nothing aside from TC/TM, that is. Then we'll talk.
GL and LMG, for some reason, do not require that kind of preparation. One just picks then up, stocks on ammo, and obliterates everything.
If, for you, there's no difference between being overpowered on lvl10 with no preparations and being overpowered only after getting to lvl26-30, and everything you used in those videos of yours, then you are certainly not the one I should be listening to.
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Yes I was showcasing peak TC against the hardest fight in the game on DOM, and what do you mean a crapload of specifically chosen feats? yes its a build. Also what do you mean 12 will and int, I think you mean 21 will and 8 int. And wow 3 bots, crazy.
Why would you go to black sea on DOM at lv12, wait till lv16 when you can get a 160q headband (yes its not hard), and TM will destroy all the bots with ease. Temporal distortion shits on bots lol. And why would I use fear or enrage when I can just kill them with neural overload. Don't think I specifically mentioned fear or enrage being strong because I don't use them even though they do work I just spam neural overload and everyone on my screen is dead.
I'm betting you tried TC on a hybrid build with crappy will (below 15) and everyone resisted your spells. Newsflash TC works the best on its own dedicated build it is not something you can slap onto any build and it will work.
You also have no idea what you are talking about relating to psi, just because psi needs a headband doesn't make it weak. Headbands are a core part of psi builds and they aren't particularly hard to acquire. Their crafting requirements are very soft.
If you compare using the thumper at an early level to a TC build which hard scales into the late game then sure of course nade launcher is stronger...
You are either a high tier shitposter or completely dellusional.
You do know I beat DOM without dying once on a TC/TM build right?, 3 con aswell. Saying it doesn't work is hilarious.
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Not everything needs to be always 'balanced'. When it is, you find yourself a boring, samey, WoW-like sludge of a game where every build can do everything with about the same degree of success and none of your choices matter much. The ranking in the first post is way off btw.
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Not everything needs to be always 'balanced'.
Not saying it should be in perfect balance so it'll never matter whether you pick one build over another. But there should be some... dunno, certain level of usability and brackets of some sort. So far the only brackets we have is an electrified floor/ladder (in one specific lication). I mean, when you miss 95% hit on an incapacitated target with Aimed Shot from your Phase Gun — it may be detrimental. If you miss one hit with 60% of hit from your LMG?.. you have like 10 ammo per burst, others will do the trick, and nothing to worry about. I could think of 5 more examples but you can deduce them yourself.
Again, the problems I stated above, may not need the solution — to keep things interesting, but the huge gap between certain kinds of weapons/skills is not a good thing. And that one sort of needs to be addressed.
Then again, whole Heavy Duty feel like it came out short and unfinished. I do see a couple of hints for another DLC but if we're to compare Expedition and HD — Expedition is like the third of the original, while HD is merely a 1/12th.
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I know what you mean, I just don't see it as a problem. This game follows the old-school design principles of the classic Fallouts and imm-sims: it lays down its tools before you and trusts you to make your choice and to make it work. Yeah, some tools are much better or situationally better than the others, so choose wisely. If you made a poor choice, restart and try again with the newly found knowledge and you'll do better. It's part of the fun. And once you've finished the game, you can go back and try something else. You may even try something outrageously suboptimal just to challenge yourself. This is how people've sunk thousands of hours into it.
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This game follows the old-school design principles of the classic Fallouts and imm-sims: it lays down its tools before you and trusts you to make your choice and to make it work.
Yeah, some tools are much better or situationally better than the others, so choose wisely.
It's different from Fallout 1/2/mods. Yes, I've beat them all as well.
In them, you could obtain top-tier armour and a few perks and cull enemies on sight with top tier weapons that were in every category. Miniguns, Launchers, Plasma Rifles, Power Fists, Supersledges, et cetera. It never mattered against who you're going, because Power Armour keeps you alive (for the most battles) and you can use as much Stimpaks per turn as you want.
Here you have to follow a certain pattern. No matter how good of a sharpshooter or a fist fighter you are — if you find an overwhelming group of enemies that can corner you easily or step into Crawler's lair — you have to have a good amount of combat drugs on you or trap the whole area.
It relies on battle tactics and you can't be a big-ass tank with even a Mind Cracker going against horde of Lunatics with your back open. They'll simply vaporize you from afar, while you'll be constantly stunned, dazed, frozen and under mental subversion.
Granted, armour with high resistance and 10+ Constitution and Will can save you from that and you can prevail through sheer HP pool, but then you can forget about having first turn, about good stealth, about dodge and evasion, about any DEX, AGI, PER, and INT check — because you're gonna invest all your points into STR, CON, and WILL.
Even then, a good critical from a couple of snipers will still get you killed. Or even Acid Hunters/a CAU unit.
Stealth characters have much easier living, but when they can't rely on their stealth, well, they are forced to hide and also use a shitton of combat drugs.
Those games are not the same. A couple of things they do have in common, but fight systems are barely alike, aside from turn-based mode.
And this is why having OP weapons that can obliterate everything without any effort from the player AND having builds that can shine only against certain enemies and only after you're leveled up and geared up fully — is the opposite of the balance.
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Honestly I think you are projecting your own skill issue onto the game, even without traps or drug spam most encounters can be approached any way you want.
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I think I've been reasonable but I have to concur, this does seem to be a skill issue.
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this does seem to be a skill issue.
*facepalms*
I was referring to DOMINATING. Of course, on Normal you can easily do most encounters while watching a movie on your second monitor.
Then again, you are constantly changing the topic:
1. Well, not everything should be balanced. — to which I partially agreed with.
2. But in OG Fallouts it were the same! — it wasn't.
3. Skill issue. — you lost the dispute and decided to attack.
It shows your lack of argument and specific notions. You just disagree with me, for no particular reason. While you couldn't prove your points, you decided to turn to eristics. I don't see this conversation going anywhere so I stop it.
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Well I enjoyed reading this thread, although it was just a waste of air, but I read a lot of interesting thoughts
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3 people say its a skill issue, must not be a skill issue. 8)
You have some pretty big misconceptions about the weapons and builds in this game, its very noticeable.