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Title: Dexterity AP cost reduction
Post by: hilf on November 15, 2014, 09:31:31 pm

Hello, zoners.
Look at this shiny, little table i made for ya: (Updated: more tables and bold showing "sweet spots")


AP reduction from Dexterity only:

Weapon	AP	6	7	8	9	10	11	12	13	14	15	16	17	18	19
jackknife	8	7	7	7	6	6	6	5	5	5	4	4	4	3	3
ti-chrome knife	11	10	10	9	9	8	8	7	7	7	6	6	5	5	4
steel knife	12	11	11	10	10	9	9	8	8	7	7	6	6	5	5
unarmed	10	9	9	8	8	8	7	7	6	6	6	5	5	4	4
leather glove	12	11	11	10	10	9	9	8	8	7	7	6	6	5	5
metal glove	16	15	14	14	13	12	12	11	10	10	9	8	8	7	7
5mm Hawker	16	15	14	14	13	12	12	11	10	10	9	8	8	7	7
7.62 Hammerer	20	19	18	17	16	16	15	14	13	12	12	11	10	9	8
9mm Neo Luger	25	24	23	22	21	20	19	18	17	16	15	14	13	12	10
.44 Hammerer	32	30	29	28	26	25	24	23	21	20	19	17	16	15	14
laser pistol	22	21	20	19	18	17	16	15	14	14	13	12	11	10	9
electroshock pistol	30	28	27	26	25	24	22	21	20	19	18	16	15	14	13
plasma pistol	40	38	36	35	33	32	30	28	27	25	24	22	20	19	17
5mm Jackrabbit	10	9	9	8	8	8	7	7	6	6	6	5	5	4	4
5mm Jackrabbit	11	10	10	9	9	8	8	7	7	7	6	6	5	5	4
7.62 Jaguar	12	11	11	10	10	9	9	8	8	7	7	6	6	5	5
7.62 Jaguar	13	12	11	11	10	10	9	9	8	8	7	7	6	6	5
8.6 Steel Cat	16	15	14	14	13	12	12	11	10	10	9	8	8	7	7

AP reduction from Dexterity and Feats (Gunslinger and Lightning Punches):

Weapon	AP	6	7	8	9	10	11	12	13	14	15	16	17	18	19
jackknife	8	7	7	7	6	6	6	5	5	5	4	4	4	3	3
ti-chrome knife	11	10	10	9	9	8	8	7	7	7	6	6	5	5	4
steel knife	12	11	11	10	10	9	9	8	8	7	7	6	6	5	5
unarmed	10	7	7	6	6	6	5	5	4	4	4	3	3	2	2
leather glove	12	9	9	8	8	7	7	6	6	5	5	4	4	3	3
metal glove	16	13	12	12	11	10	10	9	8	8	7	6	6	5	5
5mm Hawker	16	12	11	11	10	9	9	8	7	7	6	5	5	4	4
7.62 Hammerer	20	16	15	14	13	13	12	11	10	9	9	8	7	6	5
9mm Neo Luger	25	21	20	19	18	17	16	15	14	13	12	11	10	9	7
.44 Hammerer	32	27	26	25	23	22	21	20	18	17	16	14	13	12	11
laser pistol	22	18	17	16	15	14	13	12	11	11	10	9	8	7	6
electroshock pistol	30	25	24	23	22	21	19	18	17	16	15	13	12	11	10
plasma pistol	40	35	33	32	30	29	27	25	24	22	21	19	17	16	14
5mm Jackrabbit	10	9	9	8	8	8	7	7	6	6	6	5	5	4	4
5mm Jackrabbit	11	10	10	9	9	8	8	7	7	7	6	6	5	5	4
7.62 Jaguar	12	11	11	10	10	9	9	8	8	7	7	6	6	5	5
7.62 Jaguar	13	12	11	11	10	10	9	9	8	8	7	7	6	6	5
8.6 Steel Cat	16	15	14	14	13	12	12	11	10	10	9	8	8	7	7

AP reduction from Dexterity and Feats (Gunslinger and Lightning Punches) and items (Tabi Boots):

Weapon	AP	6	7	8	9	10	11	12	13	14	15	16	17	18	19
jackknife	8	6	6	6	5	5	5	4	4	4	3	3	3	2	2
ti-chrome knife	11	9	9	8	8	7	7	6	6	6	5	5	4	4	3
steel knife	12	10	10	9	9	8	8	7	7	6	6	5	5	4	4
unarmed	10	6	6	5	5	5	4	4	3	3	3	2	2	1	1
leather glove	12	8	8	7	7	6	6	5	5	4	4	3	3	2	2
metal glove	16	12	11	11	10	9	9	8	7	7	6	5	5	4	4
5mm Hawker	16	12	11	11	10	9	9	8	7	7	6	5	5	4	4
7.62 Hammerer	20	16	15	14	13	13	12	11	10	9	9	8	7	6	5
9mm Neo Luger	25	21	20	19	18	17	16	15	14	13	12	11	10	9	7
.44 Hammerer	32	27	26	25	23	22	21	20	18	17	16	14	13	12	11
laser pistol	22	18	17	16	15	14	13	12	11	11	10	9	8	7	6
electroshock pistol	30	25	24	23	22	21	19	18	17	16	15	13	12	11	10
plasma pistol	40	35	33	32	30	29	27	25	24	22	21	19	17	16	14
5mm Jackrabbit	10	9	9	8	8	8	7	7	6	6	6	5	5	4	4
5mm Jackrabbit	11	10	10	9	9	8	8	7	7	7	6	6	5	5	4
7.62 Jaguar	12	11	11	10	10	9	9	8	8	7	7	6	6	5	5
7.62 Jaguar	13	12	11	11	10	10	9	9	8	8	7	7	6	6	5
8.6 Steel Cat	16	15	14	14	13	12	12	11	10	10	9	8	8	7	7

"Sweet spots" give us more attacks per round than previous value.

Title: Re: Dexterity AP cost reduction
Post by: hilf on November 16, 2014, 08:31:45 am

We get different numbers because of integer rounding. In my case it's rounding down.
I tested about 6 weapons of different categories and AP costs with dex of 14 and 16 and all numbers were correct. It does not mean my table is 100% correct, so if anyone finds an error - let me know.

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But... what's up with the two different 5mm jackrabbits and 7.62mm jaguars? Does their base AP cost vary with quality nowadays?

It's a mystery to me as well. I've seen SMG with same caliber but different base ap costs.
I have 7.62 jaguar with 12 AP cost and 600 durability so it' probably not quality issue.
And another 7.62 jaguar with 12 AP with no attachments, so it's not an attachment issue.

Title: Re: Dexterity AP cost reduction
Post by: hilf on November 16, 2014, 09:05:30 am

By rounding down i mean discarding fractional part:
9.95 becomes 9
4.50 becomes 4
2.02 becomes 2

I should have call it 'floor'. My bad.
If we go to negatives then 'rounding down' would not be 'discarding fractional part' but game does not feature negative AP costs (:

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Any weapons generated in previous versions of the game won't be updated with patches. Could those anomalous SMGs be that?

Could be. I could find them in Core City tho, so the problem isn't very old.

Title: Re: Dexterity AP cost reduction
Post by: hilf on November 16, 2014, 09:34:42 am

Just like Styg was writing his game in some programming language and not in Excel. :D

Title: Re: Dexterity AP cost reduction
Post by: hilf on November 16, 2014, 10:12:28 am

I know, but if you don't call any math function, just assign real to integer, it may get truncated, depending on language.

Title: Re: Dexterity AP cost reduction
Post by: UnLimiTeD on November 16, 2014, 10:50:25 am

Using lightning punches with high dex can lead to hillarious results, btw.
Hmm, I haven't actually tried some of those weapons listed here.

Title: Re: Dexterity AP cost reduction
Post by: hilf on November 16, 2014, 02:04:02 pm

Quote from: UnLimiTeD on November 16, 2014, 10:50:25 am

Using lightning punches with high dex can lead to hillarious results, btw.
Hmm, I haven't actually tried some of those weapons listed here.

Yeah, i've updated my journal original post with tables that take Feats and Items into consideration. Unarmed can be really sexy if you are crazy about Dex.