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Underrail => General => Topic started by: Tamior on July 23, 2020, 10:53:41 am
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I've played a few hours in the newest experimental now, and I still haven't seen the Psi inhalant blueprint for sale.
So who exactly sells blueprint for new Psi inhalant?
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Soooo... No one has actually seen it for sale?
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Not yet; I don't think early game merchants have it except possibly blaine. I found one as random loot, however.
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Ok, next question, then: who sells oxygen and sponge filters..?
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Ive only seen one oxygen tank and I think I found it, but lots of merchants sell the sponges, especially in junkyard.
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We forgot to add the blueprint statically to the shops. It will be fixed in the next hotfix.
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I assume oxygen and filters are also going to be added statically to a few early game vendors?
Or maybe even some kind of "large oxygen tank" at SGS that allows you to refill your smaller tanks?
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We forgot to add the blueprint statically to the shops. It will be fixed in the next hotfix.
Hey Styg,can we expect a hotfix in the next week? Any rebalances included?
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We forgot to add the blueprint statically to the shops. It will be fixed in the next hotfix.
Hey Styg,can we expect a hotfix in the next week? Any rebalances included?
Yes, expect a hotfix next week. There will be some further minor tweaks to the new psi mechanics.
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So, I'm level 16 or 17, well into the midgame, and I have only laid eyes on a single oxygen tank so far.
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While both blueprints and components being added to relevant vendors is definitely welcomed, now there is a new problem:
Combined ingredients for a single inhalant cost 460, while the inhalant itself costs only 250.
Moreover, 160+ of that cost comes from oxygen tank and sponges -- ingredients you will have to buy.
So crafting inhalants (over just buying them) will either actively lose you money, or give rather tiny benefits.
Overall, feels like either oxygen tank cost needs to be lowered, blueprint yield increased or there should be (cheaper) a way to refill those oxygen tanks.
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It is psi bullets, after all. While surely not a popular take, I think the inhalant is underpriced. Comparing it to bullet cost - which, presumably, is the parity point Styg wants to reach - you can't even fill up a single SMG/AR/shotgun/sniper-rifle magazine for the cost of an inhalant. They should probably be more like 750 to get close to that economic parity point.
It does discount the up-front expense of buying psi mentors, but if you upgrade a firearm several times over the course of the game, that comes fairly close, especially now that basically every mentor can be found rather than bought, if you're feeling stingy.
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I would be perfectly fine with increasing base cost of inhalants. 500 or 750 does seem more appropriate.
As long as crafting recipe starts to make actual financial sense.
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While both blueprints and components being added to relevant vendors is definitely welcomed, now there is a new problem:
Combined ingredients for a single inhalant cost 460, while the inhalant itself costs only 250.
Moreover, 160+ of that cost comes from oxygen tank and sponges -- ingredients you will have to buy.
So crafting inhalants (over just buying them) will either actively lose you money, or give rather tiny benefits.
Overall, feels like either oxygen tank cost needs to be lowered, blueprint yield increased or there should be (cheaper) a way to refill those oxygen tanks.
Except that Mindshrooms are basically free.
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While both blueprints and components being added to relevant vendors is definitely welcomed, now there is a new problem:
Combined ingredients for a single inhalant cost 460, while the inhalant itself costs only 250.
Moreover, 160+ of that cost comes from oxygen tank and sponges -- ingredients you will have to buy.
So crafting inhalants (over just buying them) will either actively lose you money, or give rather tiny benefits.
Overall, feels like either oxygen tank cost needs to be lowered, blueprint yield increased or there should be (cheaper) a way to refill those oxygen tanks.
Except that Mindshrooms are basically free.
Just compare psi booster vs psi inhalant:
Booster sells for 275, takes 310 in components to craft, out of which only 25 are not "free mindshrooms". So you buy syringe for 10 and 3 ampules for 15 and get 275 of value in the end.
[ 25 -> 275 ] overall, 1:11 ratio, superb savings
Inhalant sells for 250, takes 460 in components to craft, out of which 175 are not "free mindshrooms". So you buy oxygen for 150, 3 ampules for 15 and sponge for 10 and get 250 of value in the end.
[ 175 -> 250 ] overall, 1:1.42 ratio, "why bother" savings
P. S. I'm not saying components need to be cheaper. Maybe just the inhalant itself should be more expensive, or something. But as of right now, on anything but DOMINATING, it's more profitable to craft mindshrooms into boosters, SELL boosters, and buy inhalants if I want inhalants (assuming surplus of mindshrooms). Not craft inhalants directly.
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on anything but dom you should be rolling in so much money that its not an issue
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on anything but dom you should be rolling in so much money that its not an issue
Ok, let's talk dominating, with 92 merc:
184 for components for 1 inhalant (excluding mindshrooms)
or 172 for components for 6 psi boosters (excluding mindshrooms), that sell for 412
And you need 287 to just BUY an inhalant
So even on dominating you still get ahead by just turning all mindshrooms into boosters, selling the boosters and buying inhalants with the cash.
P.S. That's ON TOP of the fact boosters crafting does not require any chemistry.
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It's objectively better to just buy inhalant when they are readily available and in large quantity. Mindshrooms should be use to craft Psi Reinvigorator, Psionic Accelerator, and Trance.