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Underrail => Suggestions => Topic started by: ShoggothWhisperer on May 20, 2021, 01:19:16 am
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I was recently doing a playthrough focused around riot armor with shields, and realised that there really aren’t a lot of good melee options to use with shields. Most knife and fist weapon builds don’t have enough strength or want mobility and evasion, swords and spears make shields redundant with parry and spear guard, and sledgehammers can’t use shields. To remedy this and to add a third category of blunt melee weapons, I propose adding clubs.
Features:
Blunt one handed melee weapon with low strength requirement (5-6 str) that do not benefit from dex ap reduction. Damage Increased by 9% for every point in Strength above 7 (117% bonus damage at 20 Strength).
Base 15 ap cost, tight damage spread (12-14 q15, 22-26 q70, 40-47 q160 when crafted with steel plates), base 80% critical damage bonus, and a base 5% crit chance with steel plates.
Has an inherent 25% chance to daze targets with each attack.
Crowbars and the Rolling Pin benefit from club feats.
Crafting:
4 component slots: Metal Plates, Metal Plates/ Spikes (optional) , Power Module (optional) , Energy Core (optional).
Crafting with 2 metal plates creates a reinforced club that deals bonus damage similar to reinforced combat gloves, while crafting with spikes deals additional damage similar to spiked combat gloves, and changes the weapon name to mace. The power module slot allows an electroshock generator to be added to the club.
Feats:
Benefits from Crippling Strike, Bone Breaker, and Heavyweight.
New Feat: Staccato Rhythm-Each successful club attack lowers the ap cost of further club attacks by one, and increases damage of club attacks by 5%. Stacks 5 times, stacks last for 3 turns. Requires: 8 Strength, 6 Dexterity, Melee 30.
New Feat: Hobble- Perform a melee attack with a club that deals normal damage, reduces a target's movement points to zero for 3 turns, and reduces a target's dodge and evasion by 50%. Only works on living targets (that have knees). Cooldown: 4 turns.
Requires: 9 Strength, Melee 40.
New Feat: Debilitator- Whenever you apply a non bleed debuff (crippled, expose weakness, dazed, hobbled, infected wound, incapacitated,stunned, broken ribs, inhibited) to a target using a club, apply a stack of debilitated, which increases all damage taken by 10%. Lasts 3 turns, and stacks up to 5 times.
Requires: 5 Intelligence, Melee 60, Feat:Crippling Strike
New Feat: Bludgeon-Your club attacks ignore mechanical damage threshold and mechanical damage resistance based on your level, up to 15 DT and 30% DR. (.5 DT and 1% DR ignored per level)
Requires: 10 Strength
New Feat: Disorient-Perform a melee attack with a club that deals normal damage and prevents the target from invoking psionic abilities for 3 turns. Only works on targets with exposed heads. Cooldown: 4 turns.
Requires: 7 Strength, Melee 50, Biology 50
Unique Clubs:
Morningstar- 30-35 damage, 15 ap, 5% crit chance, 100% crit damage bonus, 5 Minimal Strength. Incurs 125% mechanical damage resistance and threshold, 30% chance to inflict a bleeding wound that deals 100% damage over the next 3 turns. Found on a dead man in the lost vault dungeon.
Ennervator-20-25 mechanical damage, 15 ap, 2% crit chance, 75% crit damage bonus, 6 minimal strength. 50% chance on hit to create an EMP grenade blast centered on the player with the effects of a standard emp grenade. Crafted by using the strange power cell in the power module slot of a club, requires 120 effective Electronics skill to craft, and has fixed stats.
Rusty Pipe-13-16 mechanical damage, 15 ap, 3% crit chance, 80% crit damage bonus. Stater club weapon, found in the under passages between SGS and GMS in a barrel.
Plasma Mace-20-30 mechanical damage, 20-30 energy damage, and 20-30 heat damage, 20 ap, 5% crit chance, 100% crit damage, 6 minimal strength. 200 energy, uses 20 energy with every attack, loses energy and heat damage when unpowered. Found in Fetid Marsh at the entrance to Viridescent Quarry.
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Sounds neat, especially as a way to squeeze some more fun out of crowbars. For Hobble specifically why only reduce dodge/evade by half when movement is totally zapped? You might be better off using a throwing net and then attacking. Also, any ideas for a unique with some Psi synergy?
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Good slots for the blueprint, but wouldn't clubs require a handle? As hammers, knifes and machetes do, or shafts for spears.
A unique club with some psi sinergy? If I may. A Goliathus Horn -perhaps there are better names-. Weapon crafted out of biology and a bit of mechanics skill of the respective material. Two versions with the same special bonus [Catalyst], but both have a 5 intelligence requirement otherwise the horn will be an inert source of mechanical damage. They are incompatible with Energy Edge Emitters or Electroshock generators, and are repaired with patching kits as you would sew again leather armor. By lore, I would assume that imbuing them in unsaturated psionic catalyst is a good measure to keep the affinity. That said, I don't know if the psi affinity of beetles are valid for their mature horns just as they are for their carapaces. Oh well
The light version is made with only one horn (and handle?) and costs 15 ap. The idea is having an on hit effect similar to the contamination of The Claw fist weapon, but with a buff for the player instead of a debuff inflicted in the enemy: you use the horn as a catalyst that helps you focus your abilities. Landing a hit with the crafted weapon can facilitate directing your surges of psionic energy, giving you the Surge status. Surge makes your next psi ability have increased precision or encounter decreased resistance against an enemy, dealing additional damage by a percentage (How about 10%?). Doesn't cancel inmunities, so it's still a bad idea to try electrocute a coil spider. Stacks 2 times, they last 2 turns. 20% status effect activation chance for the light variant.
Heavy variant: A mace made of the twin horns of an Azuridae Goliathus sculpted together. 6 strenght requirement. Increased mechanical damage and catalyst effect (I don't have much experience with psi other than thought control, so I'm not sure how much of a game changer will be a difference of 15% or 20% increased damage), at the cost of 20 ap and still less blunt damage than sledgehammers. 40% chance to activate surge.
tl;dr use the beetles. Perhaps their horns can be infused (treated with super steel fiber) for such intricate bonus, other than "decrease psi cost" of shields or "increase psi skill" of the headbands.
Back to the suggestion. I like the incentive to crippling strike (and shields). Debilitator and Opportunist would sound like a dangerous combo to use... or confront.
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Gonna necro this because I think one-handed bludgeoning weapons would nicely fill out the melee options, especially with a niche of debuffing. Too late for underrail but not for infusion. Shame we'll never see sormnibaeren versions of these. What would the SS version get as a bonus? Higher daze chance?
A reinforced club ought to be a "mace" imo, whereas spiked/bladed ones would be "morningstars". Perhaps a mace has better armor penetration and/or chance to daze, while bladed morningstars inflict bleeds/vile weaponry which goes nicely with your debilitator feat. Not sure about spiked ones; they don't get super slam to make them worthwhile (maybe a spiked morningstar can have an energy emitter?). A non-mace/morningstar would be a "club" and maybe has a lower ap cost? Can use a blasting cap/CACs with a mace/club, poison with a morningstar (assuming infusion has matching items).
A rusty pipe being a bottom-tier weapon of this class is a good idea, but a crowbar counts as a club and you can get those right at the start of underrail. So for infusion a crowbar ought to come a bit later and have a special effect like better EW stacking (styg was talking about EW being applied gradually over many attacks; perhaps it'll be modal). Ive been wanting a baseball bat weapon for a long time, though I'm not sure if one would count as a club or a sledgehammer (because they're two-handed), and there could be a spiked (nails) and/or bladed (barbed wire) version/enhancement; but that would require wood as the base and that's not gonna fly in underrail. A monkey wrench is another option; could have some out of combat benefit due to being a tool. And finally there could be one-handed hammers that benefit from club feats; either tool hammers or weapon hammers (like medieval warhammers). Maybe actual clubs/maces/morningstars would be very rare in the earlier parts of the game so noncrafters would mostly be stuck with these. Actually I like that idea in general.
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So basically a one handed sledgehammer or the better crowbar... Razors blades in craft to make a razor
bat club because "When life gives you razor blades, make a razor bat".
Staccato Rhythm : if you're copying Flurry, just say Flurry can be used through Staccato seems more consistant than Flurry "all or nothing", also some feats that should apply : Bone Breaker and Heavyweight (it's blunt), Super Slam but less potent when used with a club.
Bludgeon : good alternative to Expose Weakness, I suppose the weapon is armor neutral like the crowbar.
Disorient : make it also available to sledgehammers. 8)
The Lifting belt should help a little with a 2 or 3 AP reduction.
Explosives Cap can be applied
Press F for those needed clubs that will (probably) never be implemented. :( You will be missed
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Gonna necro this because I think one-handed bludgeoning weapons would nicely fill out the melee options, especially with a niche of debuffing. Too late for underrail but not for infusion. Shame we'll never see sormnibaeren versions of these. What would the SS version get as a bonus? Higher daze chance?
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It would be cool if a super steel mace/club had an "impact resonance" bonus to daze... Like the special composition of super steel causes bonks to harmonize with bone or armor on impact.