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General / Re: Oculus? [SPOILERS]
« on: February 24, 2015, 07:55:17 pm »
AH CRAP. I killed Tudor because it was the easiest option, :(

WHELP, time to start again I guess (uncontrollable crying)

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General / Re: Oculus? [SPOILERS]
« on: February 24, 2015, 01:33:26 pm »
Would I perhaps be able to get a hint PM'd to me or something... I hate asking like that but it's been a day since I finished Jack's quests and I am very stumped. Not sure which area to loiter and ask random travellers/commoners, :/

He disappeared from Core City altogether now, not exactly sure what checkpoint in what quest needs to be passed for Jack to come bother me to look for Azif, or if I somehow f'd this up again...

I've re-read every word on the Wiki relating to this over and over again, as if somehow I'll be able to read between the pixels and it's failing me...

At least an itsy-bitsy tinsy-winsy hint?  :'(

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General / Re: Oculus? [SPOILERS]
« on: February 24, 2015, 03:33:53 am »
Hauled butt and finished everything understandable in the Jack quests, now I'm waiting for a corrier or something I guess. Completing the other main quests until I get bugged at a train station somewhere? No hints I guess makes the search all the more exciting :)

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General / Corruptive Hex-Editting Alteration Tactics Immorally Nudging Game
« on: February 23, 2015, 01:11:29 pm »
So, cheating... EDIT: I'm an idiot and this probably belongs in 'Bugs'. Sorry :( I would consider everything here to be "bugs" as of version 1.13.3 and do recommend them being patched if that kind of active resistance to cheating is desired, and insist that this breaks gameplay and ruins the fun and challenge encouraged by the developers in the balancing of this game. Was told I could make a thread as there's no moral opposition that will stop it, which is good, because problems can't be fixed if they aren't talked about, :)

I've currently been using CheatEngine, which is a staple for many Windows games.

Unrecommended, of course. The amount of times the game has straight-up crashed from these unauthorized value changes are uncountable, not to mention zone transition failures and load failures. And there are hard-level caps so its unwise to max everything since you won't be able to level up... You must spend all available points when you level up, it has no expectation that you may have already selected all the perks or whatever, so you end up stuck.

For full disclosure, the numbers I've manipulated successfully are

- item amounts (eg. forcing a stack of 99999 charons, which does explode into 400 stacks of 250 if you put it into a locker or something)
- available base points, skill points, perk points (most easily done at the player creation)
- base points themselves (can be set to anything but the game only understands a max of 20... forcing the bracketed 20 to anything higher will cause a crash)
- skill points themselves (have not found a "max" but it is roughly 110 or so through normal gameplay. unsure of any effective max limit on the damage bonuses of altered guns, melee, and psi skills but there seems to be none. mercantile seems limitless too; traders ask for at least 20+ of whatever they're looking for if value is 500+)
- ammo loaded into a gun (couldn't figure out for energy). (forcing "10" 7.62 bullets to stay in a gun corrupts those bullets if you remove them, producing question mark items labled as ammo that no gun understands; game crashes soon anyway from this, couldn't survive a screen transition, wouldn't recommend bothering to attempt, this game HATES values being 'forced')
- experience points. didn't test much, could see all sorts of issues possible if you try to level up more than one level, but I made no such attempt. good luck

things I really wanted to screw with but couldn't:
- carry weight. probably possible with some delicate tweaking with strength values but I couldn't get more than 350.
- action points. values didn't follow their marked amount,atleast not for my attempts. did not try with movement points, getting the action points was the intented prize :P
- more of any one object. so no component cloning, still requires trader hunting and a secret wish for some sort of fast travel system, lol
- player speed. if I could figure out how to make sprint last more than 7 seconds...

Most attempts to manipulate the game will cause game problems and you will likely overstep somewhere if you attempt. Highly recommended to play the game as it was intended. Destroying challenges reduces the gravity of you being simply one person. Wiped out Protecterate entirely at Fort Apogee... The bodies in that boxing room... It was insane. Went through with the lucky knife and some hypos. Fun for ten minutes but you may have ruined entire quests (on playthrough attempt #5 now due to triggerhappiness)

Now, I have no idea how to fix these issues, nor am I really capable of any sort of complex brute testing of the game, so I just tried to screw with numbers I could see that can be changed. Smarter script kiddies could likely get farther with effort.

Another interest/hobby is core file manipulation, but I am oblivious to whatever editor would be ideal and that further entrentches into the whole "screwing with someone else's hard work and intellectual property" territory so I, again, haven't really made any earnest effort (gave up when it failed WordPad and a hex editor).

You guys are doing a beautiful thing here. I think I like screwing with RPGs because I'm jealous of those who manage to make them. Fix away, if plausible. :)

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General / Re: Oculus? [SPOILERS]
« on: February 23, 2015, 10:55:13 am »
There is just a smidgen enough info on the Wiki to barely figure out where it is map side, still working on the quests to get there. Very lovely game though, enjoying the interesting replay value and might this time join the Praetorians who I slaughtered last time around  :)

Thanks for the info, I was wondering if this was a sort of quest restriction like the TNT charges. I hate going and looking for spoilers but sometimes I get stuck, :P You looked at some guys save file here and found he didn't talk to Buzzer about Cornell and so he couldn't move forward with Coretech and that was my exact problem.

Was wondering if this was being purposefully kept a secret, was a debug thing, or if I somehow killed the wrong named character somewhere. Two out of three I guess :P

Either way I've started a new playthrough. Thanks again! When I figure out the quests I'll try not to preach it, ;)

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General / Oculus? [SPOILERS]
« on: February 23, 2015, 05:40:59 am »
Hey there. Saw this game mentioned somewhere months ago and got around to finally buying it and trying it out, and I love it violently.

Exploring the areas, I heard about something called Oculus while reading the forum and I'd like to visit there, but my version of the game does not include anything in that area.

My question is: What does a guy have to do to get access to Oculus around here? Is is just a developers muttering thing, or is there a quest...? Empty canyon there at the moment which was heartbreaking since it took forever for me to correctly interpret the map to discover it's two transition screens from the Rail Crossing train depot...

Same with the freaking TiChrome bars, not sure if those are supposed to be a thing I can have in 1.13.3 but the Wiki sure makes it sound like they exist and I'd love to make a serrated shock knife with some of those :(

Loving the game, please keep up the beautiful work, it is a solid peace of art. I became a diehard fan of Fallout 1 and 2 and this does a very efficient job at recreating the magic of that kind of game. Thank you!

EDIT: It seems I ruined the quest line by guessing the answers to Abram's questions about the United Stations embassy, which ended his line of quests early, which ends Jack Quicksilver's line early, which seems to have completely killed off the Oculus section for my play through. BUMMER :P

SECOND EDIT: This is an off-question but how much tolerance is there for the discussion of blatant cheating? It is a hobby all it's own, and while I enjoy games vanilla, I do love maxing their potential with some delicate number manipulation if I can get away with it (and I have been able to with this alpha). Now, a game that can be cheated is one thing, but a game that you can cheat and still spend a ridiculous amount of time playing because it's a good game regardless of what you do to its economy? That's my genre! If I could figure out how to manipulate the item files I'd be going hogwild with modding this for my own personal twisted enjoyment.

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