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Well, I'm definitely looking forward to playing a crossbow character, I'm just worried it will be frustrating learning to play as one.We'll learn together. I started a fresh playthrough this morning with this suggested skill setup that Gortsby provided and am now preparing to take on Depot A. It's been... interesting so far adjusting to the demands of a stealthy character. I'm still getting the hang of well, not doing the dumb shit I could do on my psi character and still succeed. Preparation of traps, bolts, and grenades are paramount, to say the least.
Oh it is true. After you break stealth, you are a squishy, unarmored grenade target. It is worthwhile to invest heavily into evasion, as it will help you evade AoE damage from the occational grenade, and save your bacon when stepping on the inevitable landmine. Decent health/Constitution is also a very good idea. The benefits of stealth is worth it.Stealth give you the advantage of scouting the enemy undetected. You find out their numbers, positioning, patrols, equipment. Then you can devise a good plan to take them out on your own terms, selecting the right weapons, utilities, armor etc for the job, place traps, use a good position and get a deadly first strike. This is an awesome ability, that you pay for by being lightly armored.
When played well, planning combat from stealth means you have already won when starting combat. Sun Tzu would be proud. Feats like Blindsiding or Snipe just enhance the power of stealth even further.
Maybe it's my lack of experience showing, but that only seems to be true for the beginning round of combat. After you've broken stealth, you are a squishy sitting duck. Someone tosses a grenade and you are reloading the fight. It's why I'm usually reluctant to play low health low armor characters.
Stealth give you the advantage of scouting the enemy undetected. You find out their numbers, positioning, patrols, equipment. Then you can devise a good plan to take them out on your own terms, selecting the right weapons, utilities, armor etc for the job, place traps, use a good position and get a deadly first strike. This is an awesome ability, that you pay for by being lightly armored.
When played well, planning combat from stealth means you have already won when starting combat. Sun Tzu would be proud. Feats like Blindsiding or Snipe just enhance the power of stealth even further.
I get that, it's just using ARs all the time is boring.
No argument here, Tin Can in general is a pretty bland playstyle. Really effective and safe, but oh man is it boring after a while.
Something about stealth that I don't understand, is it possible to go back into hiding once the enemy knows you are attacking them? Seems like after combat starts, stealth is worthless as enemies can still see you.Flashbangs are your friend, here. Incapacitating enemies so they can't see you will allow you go to back into stealth. Enemies will still know you're in the area, and will be actively looking for you, so you need to get away so that as soon as they come out of incap they don't spot you instantly, but yes, you can re-stealth in combat as long as you make sure that enemies can't see you. Stuns and incaps will accomplish that for you.
I have been wondering if the classic ar tin can build can be altered so that shotguns can be as a secondary weapon? I was thinking I could use ar's for range and shotguns for up close. What perks are essential for shotguns?
It would work okay, but I see it as redundant. Burst works really, REALLY well up close. Better to focus on just ARs and save the feats for either more defense or further utility. Plus, as a burst tin can, you should be wielding a <11 AP burst AR in one hand and a high AP hard hitting AR in the other to use your free burst on. Shotguns synergize far better with a highly mobile Sniper build as a replacement for the secondary pistol.
