Jacks Package

[meow]

The Jack Quicksilver (I think his name is) quest: He asks you to deliver a package, gives you the key to get said package, thugs wait for you and the package... except you do not need the package, you can complete the quest without even looking at it. Thugs are still there waiting and you can defeat them successfully and deliver the package to Jack without even having it , hehe.

[LightningMonk]

You don't need the package though. The whole point was to force you to fight the thugs whether you have the package or not. You were supposed to be a distraction.

[meow]

True, though that makes me feel it's pointless him even asking to deliver a package. He could just say "meet me here"...

If you do forget to pick it up I'd suggest it botches the quest. You don't have the package therefore are not a distraction therefore Jack gets mugged up and killed.

Either the dialogue should be changed or the nature of the quest changed. Right now he could say "go to the eiffel tower, put on a monkey suit and take a piss on an unsuspecting tourist" and it'll have the same end result. Basically the dialogue as it is is irrelevant.

[meow]

Haha, yeh I guess I never really thought about how he even gets to GMS. He must be waiting in the shadows to see when you head up there to make his move/avoid the thugs.

I do wonder if it is a half finished quest. He mentions to look him up in core city so I wonder if it is meant to be possible to botch the quest (i.e never get to meet him again due to your stupidity)...

though I'm guessing it's coded so the thugs appear there once you accept the quest, maybe have it so the thugs only appear if you pick up the package. So if you happen to forget (because admittedly, a kinda stupid thing to do right after he tells me to grab it) the thugs wont be there, nor jack at GMS. Only have it happen if you pick the package up , because he mentions it (Im aware its nothing but a decoy) it seems somewhat vital to his plan. Im wondering if hes even hiding in the locker room so he knows exactly when to make his move.

So I guess, to me, it just seems a bit odd he even mentions the package. As I said above he could simply say "meet me here", make up a lie after you accept his job about needing to get into/something from the GMS compound  or when you ask about the buisness opportunity and then he offers a job you can say "what kinda work" he can ask "know where GMS is?" (he does actually ask that at one point) and if you've accepted the quest from Tanner can respond with "in fact, I'm going there right now", "perfect! meet me there and I'll fill you in on the details"...

on that note, whether you've been to GMS or not, when he asks you can always just say 'yes'. Is it meant to be that if you havne't been there the only option would be 'no' until you do Gorskys quest (or until you've actually been there)?? The more I think about it the more it seems that this quest has been intentionally left like this for further tweaks in the future.

Basically some clarity from the developers would be nice, because now I'm also trying to figure out at what exact point he decides to make his move... if its after you deal with the thugs then I'd be curious as to how he got there before me (maybe theres something to his name 'quicksilver', that sounds more like a money reference though. making fast money= quicksilver) so maybe he slips past in stealth whilst you're taking them on... though the dialogue implies he was already there (because you ask him why did he wait). Gah, I'm just over thinking this now... still seems a bit like a plot hole now, or a vaguely finished quest.

I guess this is a suggestion (or a conspiracy theory) now rather than bug report, anyways to get the thread moved?

[meow]

Yeh, me tihnks I was over thinking a wee bit. hehe. Shouldnt pick it apart so much (don't worry, its not personal, I spent last night doing the same to Dragonfalls writting lol, its not as great as peeps think, holes,rippoffs, handling various things in a very bad way - nother story for a differnt forum tho)

Anyways, will be cool to see how this one plays out in the future (more Quicksilver quests!) I guess the last areas/main quest lines are more important atm.

KISC (keep it simple and cute) hope thats not offensive to the developers lol, I just like how Underrial doesn't excessively try too hard to be 'adult'

[meow]

I'm annoyed at myself (and you're gonna hate me)... but I just played through this quest again. Right, ahem, Once you've dealt with the bandits and meet jack at GMS he says "I was just about to leave. I never thought you should (would?) make it", so he definitely was there before you dealt with the bandits (I really don't see how he'd slip past, 'specialy if you use grenades or AoE attacks. Plus I mince those guys, he woulda been behind me, or not very far in front, or caught in the crossfire). This is (to me) confirmed by what he says next "I knew I was being watched so I had to use a decoy to get the real package out of the station"

So he was being watched. I.E (how I'm reading this anyways) he was being followed/spied on WITHIN SGS, and maybe before he got there (anyone can get in it seems even if they're not a citizen, for trading etc), so you were being watched as he set you up as a decoy so you were the target now, and not him (allowing him to make an instant exit and be ignored by the conveniently placed thugs, or even managing to pass before they get there).  They can't watch him from outside, someone was watching him from inside and see the deal you make , thus inform the thugs "new target, hes trying to do a fast one, someone else has the package" Oh, fast one indeed the sneak LOL. Then all eyes are on you, you're now being watched and jack is free to make an exit.

So I guess the package isn't necessary, just you being seen as the package holder is enough (plus they know you have a package, as epli said, using intel. But more specific than just 'hassle anyone who comes through')

In this case I wonder if the thugs should be more hidden, so all seems fine and then suddenly they come out of the shadows/from under the subways (or maybe walk up to you, as if they have just turned up). That'll make it seem more like an ambush and not like they were just hanging out there.
The spy intels them when you leave the station, by that time jacks long gone, but the thugs just standing in open makes me question how he'd get past (his stealth cant be that good at Lv15, it's not exactly an OP ability), and even though hes not the target any more, hired thugs would probs kill him anyways for a bit of profit (they seem more like hired muscle than spies) That package musta been damn important. Also, if I am right, maybe even have a shady or at least an extra person lingering in the cafe, maybe have him brush you away or ignore you if you try to initiate dialogue (whilst everyone else says something generic, making him seem suspect but not obvious, until jacks plan is revealed to you at GMS) or one of the weird spy bug thingys can scuttle about behind you/near you every new area you enter within SGS after you accept the quest (but obviously not able to destroy it, running in an out of ventilation shafts etc)...

Though, chances are maybe later encounters with JAck will shed more light on to this whole situation (who hired the thugs? whats in the package, was it stolen from someone and what is its importance etc)

Sorry peeps, that is all. you'll be happy to know I'm done picking this one apart and haven't currently encountered any other quests that make me question its nature.