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Jet Ski related bugs.
« on: August 11, 2019, 03:00:13 am »
- Killing a Jet Skier (the random ones that appear around the lower caves) and taking their Jet Ski results in all other random Jet Skiers becoming hostile as long as you are using the stolen Jet Ski. Similarly, even if you aren't seen stealing it, you will be attacked on sight by Core City guards and the Aegis Sec staff at the docks if you are on a generic Jet Ski stolen from Ray's.

- Going to the Black Sea without Aegis Sec and talking to Razor results in the player acting as if they are currently employed by Aegis Sec when asked why they want to join the Pirates unless they first state "I'm not who you think I am.", maybe this is intended, but it seems a bit out of place, as shown below:

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Re: Jet Ski related bugs.
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2019, 11:23:12 am »
The first one's been fixed a while ago, the second just now. devs away

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Re: Jet Ski related bugs.
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2019, 08:45:19 pm »
The first one's been fixed a while ago, the second just now. devs away

You still get attacked by people at the docks if you're on a jetski stolen from ray's even if nobody saw you steal it. 
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Re: Jet Ski related bugs.
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2020, 12:19:51 am »
Decided to necro since stealing a jet ski seems like it was supposed to be possible, but it isn't without triggering hostility. Which would be fine, BUT it's very glitchy and you don't nessecerily trigger hostility if you avoid coming back to that map. I'll try and explain all the points.

1. You're at Ray's shop.
You can break into his shop, steal stuff, and that'll trigger "Ray was stolen from" as normal.
If you break into the outside jet ski area that's also fine.

2. The jet ski camera
The jet ski camera is weird. It never turns, and it behaves more like an NPC with how you can't just walk behind it to break LoS, you need to walk outside of its sight range.
If you move to the bottom of where the jet skis are held you'll outrange it, and be able to steal a scooter.
If you stand just in front of it you can steal a Freighter without being seen.
If you get near Core City shore with that stolen ski you will turn everyone hostile.
If you murder a drifter, steal their ski, and return you will NOT turn anyone hostile.

3. You go to black sea and come back on a stolen ski [Edit: By stolen ski I really mean any ski, once you take a ski even unseen the die has been cast and the following will happen]
Upon returning from the Black Sea if you enter the map with Ray's shop everything will be fine for 30 seconds until some camera-hostility related code updates, and turns Core City hostile <<<this is the part that doesn't make any sense
If you return to Core City and don't go back to that map no hostility will ever be added

So things seem to mostly operate fine until you go to Black Sea, then come back. This is when you deal with this delayed hostility problem that only occurs when entering the Ray's shop map. It happens even if you never turn the camera facing the jet skis red.

With more waterways content being added, and skis having their price halved, can this bug be fixed in an upcoming version? Ray will even tell you how many jet skis have been stolen, though you can only talk to him in the 30 second period before hostility is updated. It feels like the whole thing is meant to be possible, and it has content related to it with the whole "Stealing from Ray" event, but there are just some strange hostility bugs likely all linked to the strange camera facing the Jet Skis and how it handles hostility. Maybe move the freighter indoors if you're afraid of it being taken, or just moving it to the center so you have to be in front of the camera to hotwire it.

tl;dr You can steal a ski, but you get retroactive hostility when you go to black sea, and only if you return to ray's shop, and ONLY after about 30 awkward seconds of no hostility.
« Last Edit: July 24, 2020, 12:24:07 am by Lestat »

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Re: Jet Ski related bugs.
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2020, 07:41:36 am »
Are you playing on experimental or 1.1.1.6? This might've already been fixed. From the dev log: "Fixed the bug that caused the cameras to sometimes not detect your various thieving shenanigans (such as the case sometimes was in Ray's shop)". If you're on experimental and this persists, do let us know.

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Re: Jet Ski related bugs.
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2020, 05:01:45 pm »
This was on the new patch, but using an older save to start from. If the event is begun from an earlier save even on the old patch it should work as you fixed it to work. I had a pile of test saves at various points, but going back earlier, reloading the map, and trying it all again fixed it. Thanks for affirming it really should be fixed. You can be a real pirate now.