question on gun fu

[A_Clever_Monocle]

What does unmodified mean, is it referring to your base melee skill, or your melee skill after dexterity scaling

if it is the former I doubt it is worth a feat given the harsh conditions to activate, if it is the later however It might be one of the strongest feats in the game, either way, it is a must-have for versatility builds that use the dex/melee for their damage

the real question is whether or not it is worth the specialization points

[Bruno]

It looks self explanatory:

"Added Gun-Fu feat - When attacking with firearm pistols in melee range, your effective attack skill is increased by 40% (up to 60% through specialization) of your unmodified melee skill for all purposes, including the damage done"

Unmodified melee skill: so if you have put 100 points into melee, then your skill with pistols increase by 40 extra points. Your dexterity etc does not matter.

[KnightShade]

I think it's just the raw applied points, otherwise you could be getting recursive bonuses from versatility and maybe other sources.

[A_Clever_Monocle]

If that's the case with all of its limitations it would only be worthwhile if it was 80% or greater of your base skill in melee range, that or if unarmed/, melee attacks became usable with pistols (while still expending ammunition for said attacks) then it MIGHT be worth the feat

if I could use expose weakness, crippling blow etc with gun fu it would be an amazing feat

[Djpuffnstuff]

If that's the case with all of its limitations it would only be worthwhile if it was 80% or greater of your base skill in melee range, that or if unarmed/, melee attacks became usable with pistols (while still expending ammunition for said attacks) then it MIGHT be worth the feat

if I could use expose weakness, crippling blow etc with gun fu it would be an amazing feat

It doesn't cost anything to switch between weapons. Just keep one slot unarmed and it should be fine.

[Bruno]

Well the feat does allow for a really high guns skill without versatility.
Just increase perception and guns all the way up, and melee too. Then you get a gun-fu skill up in the stratosphere.
Is it worth it? Doubtful

[cypherusuh]

Well the feat does allow for a really high guns skill without versatility.
Just increase perception and guns all the way up, and melee too. Then you get a gun-fu skill up in the stratosphere.
Is it worth it? Doubtful

That would be one hell of a math problem, calculating good enough AP cost for pistol after bullet time, while somehow increasing per until at least 12 for Scrutinous, or whatever the Versatility Max-dex-to-per break even point. and also having enough skill points to not make the build felt like shit

[Djpuffnstuff]

That would be one hell of a math problem, calculating good enough AP cost for pistol after bullet time, while somehow increasing per until at least 12 for Scrutinous, or whatever the Versatility Max-dex-to-per break even point. and also having enough skill points to not make the build felt like shit

  Almost like firearm pistols need a slight ap cost reduction on some of the lower end pistols like the 5mm so they can a little more viable lol.

[harperfan7]

Is it worth 4 spec points to increase your attack skill by 32 points?  Dunno but I'm doing it.  Effective 500 here I come

[cypherusuh]

So, is it good?

[Yolfashj]

Guys, does Versatility stack with Gun-Fu?

Assume 160 invested melee, 350 effective under max dex, am i going to get:

350*0.6(Versatility) + 160 *0.4(Gun-Fu) = 274 effective gun skill when attack in melee range?

[harperfan7]

Guys, does Versatility stack with Gun-Fu?

Assume 160 invested melee, 350 effective under max dex, am i going to get:

350*0.6(Versatility) + 160 *0.4(Gun-Fu) = 274 effective gun skill when attack in melee range?

As I understand it, yes.

[Yolfashj]

Guys, does Versatility stack with Gun-Fu?

Assume 160 invested melee, 350 effective under max dex, am i going to get:

350*0.6(Versatility) + 160 *0.4(Gun-Fu) = 274 effective gun skill when attack in melee range?

As I understand it, yes.

Thanks~!! Now i can build a 3 per blind gunslinger