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Teldurn

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Looking to fine-tune my "Psi tinkerer" build
« on: July 29, 2021, 09:47:57 pm »
Hey, new to the game but have been researching builds and mechanics for about a week. I've already started the game and burned through about 6 different builds before I really knew what I was doing. I finally think I have what I would consider a satisfactory build to start with, but would like some advice from the pros of where I can optimize things.

I've noticed many build threads here are only at level 30, but someone like me needs a bit more granularity so I broke it down to something that's more manageable for me, and I hope it works for other newbies as well.

I'm not looking for a flawless build, as I plan on playing on Normal and with Oddity XP, so I understand there's some wiggle room for error. With that in mind, here's my build at level 1:
https://underrail.info/build/?AQMIBwMDCAgAAAAAAAAPDw8AAAAAAA8ADwAPAA8ADys2KN-_

Level 12: https://underrail.info/build/?DAMIBwMDCwgAAAAAAAAyRkYAABQPFBQPRgBGAEYARis2KD89KsK-LmTfvw

Level 20: https://underrail.info/build/?FAMIBwMDDQgAAAAAAAA8bm4AAB4eIyMebgBuAG4Abis2KD89KsK-LmQhVwVm378

I don't have a Level 30 build link because I'm not sure how to put the final levels of points to achieve the goals of the build. Speaking of which, my goals with this build was to be a 2-school Psi-only Tranquility build that is able to unlock as much as humanly possible, while also being able to craft the highest quality gear.

For that reason, I knew I wanted high lockpicking, hacking, and all the crafting while also maxing out the two psi abilities every level. The problem I run into is, I can't seem to find what the ceiling number is for any of the skills. I've seen people reference the wiki, but maybe my search-fu is weak; when I would look up a skill, none of this information was present.

I understand item quality and equipment makes a difference, but on some level, I should be able to find a chart somewhere that says, for example, [NPC] in [location] requires [effective skill] to unlock [the best thing], whether that's a persuasion check for a merchant or a stealth check to sneak into someplace... and I just can't find that information.

I'm looking for guidance on skill point spread as well as feat selection. I'd prefer not to change the stat array, but I could likely stand swapping out a point here or there maybe.

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Re: Looking to fine-tune my "Psi tinkerer" build
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2021, 10:11:40 pm »
I am just going to say that in general, 3 con, 3 per, 0 traps skill, 0 evasion is not a good idea unless you like reloading a lot. You have very poor detection and and will die every time you step on a landmine or similar trap.

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Re: Looking to fine-tune my "Psi tinkerer" build
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2021, 12:22:49 am »
Relocate some points to traps, 40 effective on lvl 8-9 should be enough to see all the traps i think, especially with paranoia. And then you can leave it at that.
Take psycho-neural flexibility instead of increased capacitance, there is no need in the latter, while the former helps a lot.

Should be no problem leveling lockpicking and hacking, checks for them are visible, and it seems you are not greedy for skillpoints on them, but persuasion check numbers are not visible in the game, so you'd need to go on the wiki and look up a particular quest to know how much effective persuasion is needed. If without spoilers, something like 70 is enough for midgame after depoA

Max stealth and take sprint early to not die as often as you are a 3 con
And some throwing (30-50-70) may come in handy.

Don't know why you want high dexterity, would be better to have at least 6 con to grab fast metabolism
And your search-fu is really terrible if you haven't seen this: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=843557165

And thats's about it, good luck playing

P.S. and pardon my poor english

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Re: Looking to fine-tune my "Psi tinkerer" build
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2021, 08:03:42 pm »
I am just going to say that in general, 3 con, 3 per, 0 traps skill, 0 evasion is not a good idea unless you like reloading a lot. You have very poor detection and and will die every time you step on a landmine or similar trap.
How do you reckon I can remedy that? Where can I pull points from?

Relocate some points to traps, 40 effective on lvl 8-9 should be enough to see all the traps i think, especially with paranoia. And then you can leave it at that.
Take psycho-neural flexibility instead of increased capacitance, there is no need in the latter, while the former helps a lot.

Should be no problem leveling lockpicking and hacking, checks for them are visible, and it seems you are not greedy for skillpoints on them, but persuasion check numbers are not visible in the game, so you'd need to go on the wiki and look up a particular quest to know how much effective persuasion is needed. If without spoilers, something like 70 is enough for midgame after depoA

Max stealth and take sprint early to not die as often as you are a 3 con
And some throwing (30-50-70) may come in handy.

Don't know why you want high dexterity, would be better to have at least 6 con to grab fast metabolism
And your search-fu is really terrible if you haven't seen this: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=843557165

And thats's about it, good luck playing

P.S. and pardon my poor english
Your English is absolutely fine, no need to apologize there. I wanted a higher Dex for the bonuses to initiative, lockpicking, and traps. I've dropped it down and made it Con 6, and it appears the wiki page for Per is incomplete. I don't know who most of those characters are yet, but it looks like too few characters to be the complete list of NPCs with Persuasion checks. https://www.stygiansoftware.com/wiki/index.php?title=Persuasion

So with those changes in mind, now level 1 looks like this: https://underrail.info/build/?AQMEBwYECAgAAAAAAAAPDw8ACgAAAAUADwAPAA8ADyg2K9-_

Level 8: https://underrail.info/build/?CAMEBwYECggAAAAAAAAyKCgAKAoFBQUFMgAyADIAMig2K1A_OSrfvw
Level 20: https://underrail.info/build/?FAMEBwYEDQgAKAAAAAAyS18AKC0tLTItbgBuADIAUCg2K1A_OSoFLiE9wr1X378
And level 30: https://underrail.info/build/?HgMEBwYEDggAKAAAAADCglppAChfZC5SVMKgAMKgADIAYig2K1A_OSoFLiE9wr1XHGbCt3LCu8Kd378
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